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23 August 2009 @ 10:34 pm
A Dangerous Affection - The SasuKarin Manifesto  

THIS VERSION IS CURRENTLY OUT-DATED. PLEASE READ THE UP TO DATE MANIFESTO HERE, AT DREAMWIDTH.
 
 
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(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2009 05:58 am (UTC)
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That manifesto was so awesome, I'm still on my ass.

And trying anonymous comment. xD
Evil Princess Haru-sama: Deidara :: Eh?harukakamiya on August 24th, 2009 06:45 am (UTC)
Wow, that was seriously awesome. And it actually made excellent points.

I'm not ready to say I ship this yet, as I still need to go read some fic to validate the new ship, but I can say that I like Karin now! =D

So thanks for that! ^_^
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on August 24th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you! ♥

I hope some of the fics I recced were helpful in that "validate the new ship" process xD But the fact that you like Karin now is awesome! I'm glad to hear that!
Uchiha Sasuke (OtoKage) (/ ∀ \) σ (>_< ): Retort - Crazy Bitchsharinganheir on August 24th, 2009 08:37 am (UTC)
What I've read so far is presented nicely. When I get more free time, I'll check out the rest. I do ship SasuKarin already, even if I don't particularly care if it's meant to be canon or not. (Hey my *otp* is SasuSasu, after all, and I realize how 'uncanon' that is! XD)

I can't say I'm completely convinced they have a relationship or ever will canonly, or that even the mystery of what Karin did has anything to do with a "romantic interest" relationship.

One thing that did catch my attention that I don't quite see as a valid argument for the canon existence of the pairing is the bit on suffixes. See, Sasuke never uses them to begin with, and in his case it's more of a distancing/lack of care to use. Karin has at times added a suffix to Sasuke's name. It's not a constant thing, but I think it is more significant to her personality as a whole that she doesn't attach them all the time than proof that there is something more between them. (I also think she has a bit of a personality disorder going, the way it flips a lot.. her use could be related to that as well.)

Don't take that as bashing though, it's more simply discussion of viewpoint. ^^
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on August 24th, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
Hey there! ♥

Ah the suffixes thing, I didn't add that as meant to be "proof of undeniable canonization" or anything of the like; like I wrote there, I merely added it because I thought that the attention that Kishimoto paid to it before was interesting. I also mentioned that Sasuke not using them is meaningless because that's nothing new; but the new thing is a girl that likes him that doesn't use them regardless. Even then, I added that one more as a "Interesting tidbit" than anything else xD But something you said has caught my eye though; when has she used them?

Don't worry! I find discussion pretty interesting! <3
xgaaraxlustxxgaaraxlustx on November 17th, 2009 11:49 pm (UTC)
Kanae, I think this person is basing some of his response on the anime perhaps? I myself have never seen her use suffixes in the manga, unless I'm reading a badly translated version. But in the anime, at least, she goes 'Sas-U-Ke-kun!' in 122 when she glomps him, remember? This person might have assumed that meant it was said that way in the manga.
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on October 12th, 2012 03:25 am (UTC)
okay I realize it's been 3 years haha but I thought it wouldn't hurt to put the matter to rest here, too ♥


no suffix~~

Edited at 2012-10-12 03:26 am (UTC)
naruterror on August 24th, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
God bless you for writing this awesome manifesto. I hope some people will open their eyes and stop bashing this couple like crazy =/.
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on August 24th, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed it! ♥ And tell me about it. Best thing to do is ignore them, honestly.
oni_link001oni_link001 on August 24th, 2009 06:37 pm (UTC)
That was beautiful. <3 It's been sometime since I looked back on those chapters (back before Pein and JesusNaruto) and you've reminded me how much i enjoy Karin's character. But seriously, those were some wonderful points. ^o^
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on August 24th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
Thank you! ♥ I'm glad you found the reading enjoyable, and that it brought back some good memories <3
valerya_deidara on August 24th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
I was waiting for a SK Manifesto like this to be sure what i really think <3
And I like them now *___*

Kanae-chan you're awesome♥
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on August 27th, 2009 06:59 pm (UTC)
Gracias valerya-chan! ♥ Me encanta que te gusten ahora! <3
(Anonymous) on September 4th, 2009 04:40 am (UTC)
*Love love love*
BEAUTIFUL, JUST BEAUTIFUL GIRL!!!! You're so awesome to bring out all those evidences about Sasuke and Karin. I've love them since the first time Karin appeared in this manga. AND NOW I'M EVEN IN LOVE WITH THEM MORE, THANKS TO YOU GIRL. But some pictures of yours were missing in Their Development (if I remembered right?), you should checked it back so the other could read your manifesto perfectly :D And I've always followed all your talk in Ice & Spice (I'm not official member so... can't talk with you guys) with your friends like Ukeness, Rin, okita,... and I thought: "All of you are awesome and very funny. I love you all". Actually I've catched up with all your talk from the beginning but then I was ill in 1 week and then when I return I was "WTF WITH ALL THESE PAGES!!!" and now have to catched up again TOT. I've readed to page 606 now but there's still loooooong way to go TTOTT. Hey Kanae, can I ask you a favor? Would you mind if I translate your manifesto into my language so that I can show all the members in the forum I'm in now in my country that they should respect more about SasuKarin (the forum I'm in now they all love SasuSaku *ewwwwwwww*) and I'm sick of what they've said about them, couldn't stand anymore. Please answer me soon, okay? And once again I LOVE YOU and your manifesto so much.
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 4th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
Re: *Love love love*
Thank you very much! ♥ And aww you should totally join and post with us! We'd love to have you there! <3 And sure thing, go ahead, I'd be honored! What is your language btw? I'm curious xD
(Anonymous) on September 5th, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
Re: *Love love love*
Thanks for accepting my request Kanae <3. I'll translate your manifesto as best as I can, BELIEVE IT! My language is Vietnamese, Kanae ^^
(Anonymous) on September 5th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
Re: *Love love love*
I'll translate your manifesto as best as I can -> I'll translate your manifesto as well as I can TT^TT. I'm really sorry about my weakness in grammar. REALLY SO SORRY ABOUT IT!
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 6th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
Re: *Love love love*
Oh don't worry about it! I fail at grammar even more than you do, I assure you xD And I know you'll do an amazing job! ♥ Really, thank you very much for wanting to take the time to do it, I wish you the best of luck and I hope everyone enjoys it!
llcryingeyesll: NaruHinallcryingeyesll on September 6th, 2009 10:36 am (UTC)
Wow. This was amazing! I never really understood where exactly people got SasuKarin from, aside from chapter 348 and even at that I just saw (what seemed like then) Karin's one-sided crush. You pointed out a lot of things I'd missed. Until now, I just shipped it cuz I thought it was cute. XD

Although I still want to see Sasuke end up with Ino more than anyone else, it wouldn't mind me so much if it was Karin. :]
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 9th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
Oh my, a SasuIno shipper? Nice to meet you! ♥ They were my OTP during P1 <3 I'm glad to hear that now you've gained more reasons to ship SasuKarin! Thank you for your comment, and I'm happy that you enjoyed it ♥
xgaaraxlustxxgaaraxlustx on September 11th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
WTF WHY DIDN'T I COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE, I'M A BAD PERSON!
D<
Nya, this is simply amazing, Kanae <3 You know what I think about it, of course.
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 16th, 2009 11:31 pm (UTC)
hahahaha thanks Sab! ♥ <3
ranuelranuel on September 12th, 2009 10:36 pm (UTC)
This is an impressive chunk of work! /applauds/
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 16th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much! ♥ /bows/
not even a petunia_penguins_ on September 13th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
this is absolutely amazing
Kanae: SasuKarin<3kanae_mizuhito on September 16th, 2009 11:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you! ♥
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Kanaekanae_mizuhito on September 25th, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
Oh my, what a helpful person! Next time leave your name, so that you can actually see when I tell you how little I care <3
babyvee16babyvee16 on January 31st, 2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
I am in love with this couple thanks to this manifesto! Awesome job!
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on October 12th, 2012 03:19 am (UTC)
I'm so sorry I missed this comment before! orz thank you so much, I'm really happy to hear that!
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Kanaekanae_mizuhito on June 29th, 2012 06:04 am (UTC)
Re: Share
hello, sorry for the delay! haha share it where?
Nadejikonadejiko on August 15th, 2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
I love SasuKarin~
Wow, this is really awesome manifesto
Hey, can I ask you a favor? I would like to translate this manifesto to Spanish!
Please answer me soon

Kanaekanae_mizuhito on August 17th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
Re: I love SasuKarin~
Hola! Me alegra que te haya gustado, y que quieras traducirlo~! ♥ pero en realidad el manifesto está bastante outdated D: estoy esperando a que karin y sasuke se vean en el manga otra vez para editarlo; quiero arreglar muchas cosas - editar, añadir, etc orz entonces, aunque no tengo problema con que lo traduzcas, no sé si valga la pena que lo hagas ahorita ;~;
Nadejikonadejiko on August 22nd, 2012 12:53 am (UTC)
Re: I love SasuKarin~
Gracias!! Si había pensado en ello, pero igual quería traducir...estaré atenta a la próxima edición (y al próximo reencuentro de estos entrañables personajes )
Saludos!!!
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on October 12th, 2012 03:20 am (UTC)
Re: I love SasuKarin~
Holaaa! lamento la tardanza, pero al fin lo updatée! lo malo es que ahora es aún más largo haha orz pero si igual te gustaria traducirlo, go for it! :D
Nadejikonadejiko on October 19th, 2012 05:31 am (UTC)
Re: I love SasuKarin~
Seguro que lo hago, ya voy iniciando!! xD
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on October 19th, 2012 05:49 am (UTC)
Re: I love SasuKarin~
haha genial! ♥ por favor avisame el link donde lo pongas cuando termines, me encantaría leerlo! suerteeeeee!
aerisuchanaerisuchan on January 2nd, 2013 05:52 pm (UTC)
The best arugumentative article I have ever read about SasuKarin.
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on February 7th, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
thank you!
ext_1692073 on March 10th, 2013 10:30 pm (UTC)
A Dangerous Affection
Well first, sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language... ^^"

I've read ALL your manifesto and... wow bravo ! I would have never thought there were so many things to tell about Sasuke and Karin ! x)
But I was quite fascinated while I was reading your article. I'm neither a fan of Sasu/Karin, nor a fan of Sasu/saku (well I'm not anymore, since Sakura is pissing me off a bit...) or anything else (besides Shika/Tema) So I have no real grudge or ambition (in a love point of view) for any character, but honestly, I liked what I've read. (so thank you)

At first, I thought that if Sasuke would have to end with someone it would probably be Sakura, because before he left Konoha they were close, and she was there for him as Karin is (was ?) there for him now, and with his "Thank you", and he thought about his former team, and all...
But... Now I don't know anymore... x) I mean, your article is pretty convincing... ><"

It's been quite a long time since I wonder WHAT DID KARIN DO TO SASUKE ??? GOD !!! XD But now I really REALLY want to know... x)
And now that I have read your article, I want them to meet again so much ! I mean, what Karin will do ? It would be perfectly understable that she does not forgive him (well now that I have read your text she HAS to forgive him !!! XD) but I want to know more about them, I want to know what happened between them by the past, etc...

Well I can tell now that I understand more the character of Karin (and even Sasuke, because I had never noticed that he was more compliant with Karin than with his other teamates ^^')
Somehow it does not displease me.
But the more I read Naruto (the manga) the more I think Sasuke needs someone by his side (always!) Unconsciously he can't be alone (well he's not a bad guy at first so...) but then, if it's not Karin, it could be someone else... couldn't it ? What I mean is... Why Karin and not Sakura ? Because she is not the "Sasuke fangirl" that you mentioned and that she actually was anymore, and I think somehow the two girls are a bit alike... ^^"

Well, finally, thank you for this article, which was really interesting !
Bye bye ^^
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on March 11th, 2013 12:23 am (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
Oh, don't worry about it! It's not my native language either (spanish is), so I feel you, haha. Plus, your english is actually pretty good and perfectly understandable ♥ thanks a lot for giving the manifesto a read, I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you feel you've got a better understanding of Karin, now! :D that always makes me happy.

As for your question, I believe Sasuke and Karin are more compatible due to all the reasons I underlined in the manifesto (one of the most important being their similar pasts, which gives them a common ground of understanding that Sasuke and Sakura simply do not share), plus that Kishi has been deliberately portraying and addressing their bonds quite differently~ I think a good example of this is in Sakura and Karin's respective flashbacks to Sasuke in 482 and 484, I think it was? While Sakura remembers a Sasuke who simply regarded her all "..." like, (and Naruto himself, when remembering Sasuke and Sakura, does so in the exact same way - Sakura staring at Sasuke starry eyed while Sasuke was the very picture of indifference) Karin remembers a Sasuke who, in under a minute, behaved around her like he never did around Sakura or any other girl: giving her a genuine smile that we haven't seen him give anyone else yet. Another example is that, while Sakura's bond with Sasuke takes a backseat to Sasuke's with Naruto when it comes to Team 7, Sasuke's bond with Karin is actually the most highlighted bond in Team Taka. Plus, given what was recently stated in 619, it's important to notice just how meaningful it was that Sasuke acquired a new technique in order to save Karin's life - his sharingan instinctively responding to his plight to save her, in a way it did not respond to his concern over Sakura when she was caught by Gaara's sand, for example, even though he did consider Sakura a precious person.

I hope this helped answer your question, thank you very much again for reading and commenting! ♥

ext_1692073 on March 11th, 2013 04:20 pm (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
Thank you for your answer !
My native language is french -Entiendo un poco español pero, hablar es más difícil para mi- (lol it remembers my highschool days.. xD) Well... don't care sorry... x)

I understand what you're trying to explain. (and now I hope it will be as you said ! xD) And it's true that I think Karin knows better than Sakura the Sasuke from nowadays too. Because he changed during those 3 years, and Sakura wasn't there so...
An other thing that I hadn't noticed (but that I understand now thanks to you) is that it's true that Karin is "herself" with him, whereas others girls change for him. I think it's quite a good point for her too.
I kinda like her much more.

Well, I wanted to ask you : How do you think she will react when (if ?) they'll see each other again ? (Karin/Sasuke I mean) And what he will do ? (apologize ? Wow apocalypse ! xD)

And then, do you think you'll write another manifesto of Naruto's couples, characters or whatever ? =3

Saizo~
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on March 12th, 2013 12:52 am (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
You're more than welcome! ♥ it was a pleasure reading your responses!
haha what a coincidence! je suis en train d'apprendre le francais à l'université et c'est la même situation lol je peux lire des textes en francais, mais si tu me demandes de l'écrire, bon... XD

So glad to see you bring those two points up! The second one is one of the things I value the most about the SK dynamic, I'm happy it's made you grow fonder of her :D

Oh boy, this is the question of the 1 million bucks, haha! Ideally, I would love for Kishi to let Karin smack Sasuke (he deserves that so, so much) and Sasuke to be apologetic about what he did, perhaps not through words themselves (though honestly, who knows, if Kishi wants to establish - yet again - the differences between 'Dark' Sasuke and this new stage of Sasuke's growth through Karin, then an outright apology may take place indeed) but through his behavior and demeanor. Like, I would love to have Sasuke remembering Karin's pained face when he stabbed her, for one. Though that may be too much to ask for, haha. Annnd there's also Suigetsu and Juugo... I think Kishi may have something SK related in store for those two, but we'll have to wait and see~

Aww, probably not a pairing manifesto, but I'll probably write more about Taka, Sasuke and Karin in the future :D thank you so much for asking!



ext_1692073 on March 12th, 2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
Wow ! Ta phrase était parfaite !!
This year I'm learning Portuguese as well (and others) but sometimes I mixe up with Spanish... (for example, I say "pero" and not "mas"... x) )

Yeah I know... But now I'm really looking forward them to see again ! xD
Now that Sasuke's crazy period seems to be over, maybe we still have some chances to see him "kind" again... (perhaps I'm asking too much xD)

That's cool !
Ah, I'd like to know... I'm not really familiar with those blogs, sorry... How can I keep in touch with you and what you publish about Naruto ? Yesterday when I was reading some of your articles, I found a forum where you and other people talk about Naruto (Karin/Sasu) but the forum seems quite huge and I didn't know what to do, I was totaly lost.. xD
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on March 13th, 2013 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
really?? just luck, I assure you! hahaha
I feel your pain ;~; it's so easy to mix languages that have got the same origins. especially short words like those!

I don't know if we are, but I definitely hope we'll get the chance to see that side of him again, too! ♥ haha I really think Karin will get to see that warm smile once more before the end of the manga. It's just a matter of seeing under which circumstances 8D

Nothing to apologize for! ♥ it's so easy to get lost in there indeed, so many sections to look at haha plus there are the old versions, too. Currently, this is the latest version of the SK FC and whenever we write a long post or something relevant, we post the link on the first page; if you ever feel like giving it a shot, we would love to have you around!

I also tend to post some things in the sasukarin tumblr, but for the time being we do usually tend to keep the discussion in the FC, while we wait for S&K to reunite haha
ext_1692073 on March 13th, 2013 11:38 am (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
Thank you !
Do I have to make a presentation of myself or something like that somewhere, or can I juste login the forum and come to talk with you at the FC directly ? (I think it's here for the presentations, isn't it ? → http://www.narutoforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3)

I like the mucis you put on your tumblr ! ^^
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on March 13th, 2013 07:03 pm (UTC)
Re: A Dangerous Affection
You're more than welcome! :D haha yeah, you can skip the presentations if you want and just post in the FC directly. It's very user-friendly, you'll see! ♥ you'll get used to it in no time, and if you need any help, don't hesitate to ask the FC haha

Aw, thank you, I'm glad you do!
Nadejikonadejiko on March 25th, 2013 07:32 am (UTC)
Al fin!!
Jaja, al fin lo logré... termine de traducir, pido mil disculpas por la tardanza x_x.
Ya esta en español, dale una leída a ver que te parece! Alguna queja no dudes en gritarmelo, decirlo y lo que sea! Lo edito a cualquier hora D:.
Sin más, te dejo el link:
http://sasuxkarin.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/un-amor-peligroso-el-manifiesto-sasukarin/

Saludos.
Kanaekanae_mizuhito on March 25th, 2013 05:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Al fin!!
Nooo, no tienes por qué disculparte, más bien qué pena contigo, debió haber sido muchísimo trabajo! ;A; aww incluso mantuviste el formato, ¡graaacias! hahaha hiciste un trabajo genial ♥ espero que los fans del SK en español disfruten la lectura! :D

Justo en estos días tengo un tiempito libre, así que lo leeré con calma haha, aunque por lo que veo, ¡mejor imposible! No tendré ninguna queja haha pero me dará pena estarte fastidiando ;~; si quieres (y si no es problema), puedes mandarme la contraseña por inbox y así yo me encargo de cualquier detallito. Ya has hecho tanto ;A;